Emmy Huang

Today Apr 16 I was unable to install Flashplayer (to see news, not ads...) without installing the Google toolbar (uncheck the "dnld GTB" box and FP download won't start). I don't want Google toolbar or any associated adware or spyware it may allow so I'll have to do without Meet the Press reruns until the commies don't force me to download junk I don't want.

i need to install adobe flash player pls

goooooooooood

Please please please can you provide a link that allows download and install of Flash without the google opt out. Preferable a link that automatically starts the download without google.

i was so happy when i so you programmes and i need to down load an adobe flash player window

I hope Adobe gets hung on a wire for this stunt.

Forcing me to install google toolbar?

Microsoft has gotten their asses sued for less than this.

I'm going to be forwarding a complaint to my attorney general, as well as the federal trade commission.

@Joe

If you do not wish to install Google Toolbar that is offered on adobe.com, you have the option to decline the offer. The offer is only made on the adobe.com site which is less than5% of all Flash Player installs. The majority of installations are content-driven, and those installers do not make any 3rd party offers.

regards,
Emmy

Emmy,

That is not true. You cannot load the new flash player anywhere without loading the Google tool bar.

If you have a reproducible test case that we can use to verify your statement, I will look into it. We have not yet received a verifiable case of the Google Toolbar being installed from adobe.com with Flash Player without user permission.

If you are getting Google Toolbar from a 3rd party website and the Flash Palyer installer is not coming from an adobe.com server, than please beware that Adobe does not approve of or sanction those installers and you should be careful of installing from those websites.

I downloaded with the Toolbar then deleted the Toolbar, guess what the Flash Player will not work with the Toolbar insalled.
This is restrictive practices.

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Hugo,

I have yet to see any bug reports on this and we have not been able to reproduce this. Can you please file a bug report?

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=fp_beta_feedback

thanks,
Emmy
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Why why why can I not just install the latest Flash player without the google toolbar?

I deselect the option to install the toolbar, select that I accept adobe's terms and condition, click install to be brought back to the same page with install google toolbar checked. I am aware that I can uninstall the toolbar once installed but I don't want it in the first place. I will not update my player until I can recieve the player and the player only.

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This sounds like a bug on adobe.com. I'll email you offline to get your system details and reproduction steps.
thanks,
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"Sounds like a bug" my arse. It's a deliberate programming feature, you are forcing a download of the google toolbar.

If you weren't so far up Adobe's backside you would siply go to the web site and try and download the latest flash version your self.

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO SO WITHOUT GETTING THE GOOGLE CRAP AS WELL.

FIX IT.

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You are of course, entitled to your opinion. However, given that NOT every user experiences this problem, I consider it to be a bug on the Adobe.com website and the detection logic it uses to determine if it should make the Google offer or not.

In this job I happen to install and uninstall the player to look at reported issues quite often, and I have been on that page many times to install the player...without selecting the Google Toolbar. It works fine for me.

The bug has been logged by the web team and they are investigating. If you have useful information to provide about your system (OS version, browser version, etc), that would help them with their testing and investigation.

Thanks.
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Another ugly company and disgusting practice!
Even if you are computer literate and privacy conscious, good chances are you don’t know that Adobe Flash player installs on users computer in very tricky way cookie like information w/o adequately informing anyone:
http://www.hashemian.com/blog/2007/11/adobe-flash-cookies-local-storage.htm
Its seems obvious that “cookie mechanism” is another attempt designed to allow nosy companies to spy on users even after they explicitly blocks and cleans things like third party tracking cookies – which spells to: take explicit steps to disallow spying.
New Adobe policy of forcing users to install Google toolbar (even page creates impression of offering choice its just a smoke screen, anyone trying install Flash Player alone w/o toolbar will learn it is not possible) can be described only as “things go from ugly to disgusting”.
Google practices of recording users IP on their searches was very controversial from always. Recent purchase of “Doubleckick” by Google (ill famed company responsible for installing third party tracking cookies on people PCs on most major websites) leaves no doubt what Google is really involved into. Toolbars historically were always primary choice for spyware and adware creators. Adding all together,… doesn’t require rocket scientist.
What really however turns my stomach up is way all this is done: fake options of declining toolbar on Adobe Flash Player download page which doesn’t work (even Adobe FAQs claims toolbar is “optional”), Adobe CEO statements claiming that Flash Player “cookie” is in users interest (as some clean real cookies and may delete some "important" ones) and company deeply cares about privacy of its customers, Google campaign of disinformation and deception what are the real reason they do things and what are involved into.

Small, greedy people put into your little heads, its simply none of your business what we do on our PCs and Internet. Not all of us doesn’t care about being spied on and not all of as care about your little disgusting toolbars or players.
Personally I’m in search for third party Flash Player and will not use neither Adobe, Google or anything they offer or sell for that matter.

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For those that are concerned about "Flash cookies", I encourage you to visit the player security and privacy center to learn more about the topic: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/security/. Specifically, we have articles to explain how you can prevent 3rd parties from using local shared objects to track you across websites (http://www.adobe.com/go/4c68e546), as well as an article explaining how you can manage and disabled your local shared objects (http://www.adobe.com/go/52697ee8).

The Google Toolbar offer on the adobe.com website is optional. From Adobe.com, you may deselect it and you will not receive the toolbar installation. But the vast majority of installs happen through content on 3rd party sites, and for those installers there is no toolbar offer.
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