Emmy Huang

Doesnt load for me. Proxy issue?

@ak

It is a big file, and there is a buffer so that some of the file is down before playback occurs. That said, I think we're trying to put it on a different server so it serves up better.

e

Does the hardware scaling also carry over to anti-aliasing? That's a processor intensive operation, and usually when we're talking hardware acceleration, this is one of the biggest benefits. I haven't had a chance to run a test yet, but can you confirm that anti-aliasing will take advantage of the hardware acceleration?

having to watch this stuff in win32 coz there's
still no FreeBSD binary, and no comment.
deaf ears all around at adobe.
how many thousands of people have to fill in the petitions and post begging requests on these blogs
before someone there develops the (un)common
courtesy to post a reply ?
it's really frustrating.
open source isn't just linux, adobe.
far from it.

@paul

I've mentioned this many times in previous posts. I don't have any news to share on a native *BSD port at this time, and it would be inappropriate for me to claim that Adobe will never support it -- because things change.

PC-BSD has a license to redistribute the binary which will make it easier for end-users to use/install the player. I believe FreeBSD is also working on updating the plugin wrapper for the v9 plugin.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb519843.htm

best,
e

I promise I have not seen this mentioned many times. I've not seen this mentioned at all. I've tried running the player under linux emulation (the asi linuxulator in freebsd) it's a non-starter, run ldd on the thing and work out what needs to be present for it to run, we're not talking a few MB of libs here. then it fails to produce anything but cores. everybody I've spoken to about this has similar experience. try it.
and yes, I do appreciate that you don't want to hear people moaning, but by that same token I'm pretty tired of having to boot a windows box to take a look at youtube etc. good luck with the pcbsd thing, I'll cross my fingers but if it's all the same with you I won't hold my breath.

I perused the rest of your blog comments,
I found a single reply from you a *long* time
ago effectively saying "not now", and then another
posted the same day as your reply to me
reiterating what you'd said here.
I found many many *many* requests for a *bsd bin
that hadn't had a response.

so, any update on this ?
have you seen the online petitions etc ?
did you hear bsdtalk #43 ?

please, try to understand that
every time you slap yourself on the back
over flashplayer, you're slapping the
*bsd users in the face.
adobe as a company seem impervious to these
requests, they do seem to enjoy using BSD
code in their products however, including
flashplayer.

why's there no flashplayer for the free BSD's ?
some of their code is in it, do the right thing,
not the absolute minimum the licence dictates!

Hi Paul,

Maybe my comment was too snarky, and I apologize if I've offended you.

With any release, Adobe has to make decisions about how to best prioritize the work that we need to do with the resources we have. Platforms to support (and to drop) are carefully considered each release, on top of the new features we need to add to support our core business strategies and objectives. To date, a native port of Flash Player to BSD has not been a high priority.

I don't have any new news to share, and it's not because something has changed and I've forgotten to share it. ;-)

Also, I'm not sure I understand your comment about using BSD code? We may use code that is licensed under the BSD license, but I'm not sure how that is relevant to supporting the OS.

regards,
e

thanks for the reply Emmy,
the only way you could offend me is to ignore me.

experience suggests that a native port to the
*bsd's would most likely be the simplest you've
ever undertaken, given that you have a working
codebase for OSX (which has a freebsd userland)
and linux.
practically all the multimedia apps that run
on linux have native ports for the bsd's,
including monsters like vlc and mplayer, even
the toolchains are practically identical.
perhaps that could be taken into consideration
when you're evaluating platform support ?
the bsds are stealthy, but they're far from
minority platforms, I'm sure you're aware
of all the heavy lifting jobs they perform
on the net, there's millions of freebsd
webservers for eg.
admins and devs like to be able to run the
same OS as their desktop environment.
PCBSD is looking good, but it's dead in the
water without flashplayer. it's as simple
as that.
the comment about using BSD code was really
just an attempt to cajole you into replying,
however, I'm sure you'll agree that the
majority of BSD licenced code tends to come
from the BSD's, it's generally developed there
and maintained there.
as your 3rd party eula
doesn't have any details on what you're using,
I'd say it was a reasonable guess, you certainly
use code from openbsd in other products.
there's no real PD any more, the BSDs are some
of the few (only?) OS's that genuinely produce free,
non-viral, "do what you like with this", code.
surely nurturing that is something that's good
for everybody, including adobe.

I hope I've expressed what a big deal this is
for the *BSD's, I'm running XP here to web browse
purely because of the lack of flashplayer.

if you genuinely want to be able to say that
your product is "OS neutral","platform neutral"
or "run anywhere" then surely the BSDs have
to be considered.

many thanks.
-paul

I really should read what I've typed before
hitting the post button.

I forgot to add that the lack of native
flashplayer for the bsds is even mentioned on
the flashplayer wikipedia page.

it'll surely be worth kudos and be good PR
for adobe to remedy this.

cheers
-paul

Paul,

I really feel your unbridled frustration here. I have to run a 32 bit O/S to retain compatability with flash player. That is sad indeed. It will be the 1 year mark in September of adobe's announcement of plans of a 64 bit flash player but with no tentative dates. The 64 bit arch has been around for a few years, why is so hard to keep up with the times here. I say flash player is open sourced to linux and BSD's so we can develop a version quicker and with progress we can actually measure to the people that require it.

I agree on the cross platform compatability commitment remark. It really is reduced to talking the talk and walking the walk. does this means that adobe is bad people here? no but I have to question where their priorities lie.

Don't make the commitment to cross platform compatability unless you can show verifiable proof to your intentions.

MButterman

I'd like to know which settings were used to encode this video to Flash format. Is there any more information available about the video?

Hi,

If you would like to help speed up 64-bit support or want to check progress, you can visit the Tamarin project page. The most difficult portion of work to support 64-bit for the player is the virtual machine.

www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin

As Tinic mentions in this post: http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/12/flash-player-8-for-linux-update.html

"We have a few very good engineers working on the Linux version right now in parallel to the work we do for 8.5 [was changed to v9 before release]. 64bit versions will take a little longer, there are no definite plans just yet. Just recompiling will not work unlike what you might think. The main issue here is the x86 JIT in the virtual machine and the mark&sweep garbage collection which are not 64bit aware right now, work on 32bit pointers only. Adding and testing this is not a small task as anyone who ever worked on this type of low level infrastructure might be able to attest. I can really only ask for patience here, we are aware that we need to offer a solution as soon as possible."

regards,
Emmy

@Doug

Let me ask.

best,
e

Isnt there a better streaming options, I downloaded 15 MB already and it did not start playing yet :S

beautiful. but err... totally off topic: what's the wonderful music in the video? there seem to be multiple songs in it and most of them (especially the first two) are very cool. help!

I found one of the tunes myself :-) ... the part with the 'is it me, is it you...'-vocals is from 'airways' by atomica. they seem to be into 'podsafe' stuff so it could be that other songs are to be found in that direction as well.

still hunting. especially for the intro tune (sounds like a nonexistent 'board of canada'-song) and the uptempo track right after it with the 'feel the breeze' and 'mystery bliss' lyrics.