Flash Team

You said that you talked to the clients. Does it means that you ppl talked to the management people/marketing people of that company or the developers/designers who actually works on flash?
Because if you just talked to the upper level people of the client company then I will say its of NO USE.

> Does it means that you ppl talked to the management people/marketing people of that company or the developers/designers who actually works on flash?

We talked to both, but mostly to the latter.

mike chambers

mesh@macromedia.com

Hi -

I assure you that we met with the actual users of Flash. We did, of course, also meet with some of the management that drives project requirements, technology adoption, etc. I must disagree with your statement that talking with "upper level" people is of no use. It is, in fact, of great use.

This requirements gathering process is incredibly time intensive and detailed and involves meeting with nearly everyone involved in Flash content development. That is truly the only balanced approach to defining the specifications of a product. Our efforts in meeting with so many customers, in so many segments of the industry, in so many markets around the world, are relatively new to the company and quite expensive. However, we feel that this process is the best way to gather the requirements for building the right product that our customers need and want. I'm very excited about this.

I can't think of a single customer visit that our team has done thus far that did not include the designers and developers that use Flash within each team.

Do you have a specific concern that we should address?

Thanks,
MD

you pretty much bundled most wishes with those keywords in your list but besides all those i´d love it if you´d have the option to finally completely remove the right click menu so that you can use it for other things than creating menus.
anyway,if you implement all those things in 8ball flash should raise to new heights :)
keep it up :)

I wrote before about more advanced text controls, such as the ability to wrap text around objects. I'd also like to see an easy way to create multiple columns of text. Currently Flash has some idea of what's being displayed via scroll and bottomscroll, but I don't know of any way to easily say "get everything that doesn't fit and put it into the next textfield".

Giving Flash more advanced text formatting would be a great plus over HTML.

Hi all!!

I think Flash accessibilty skills *MUST* improve a lot. Macromedia shouldn't forget many, many ppl who can't use Internet as we do.

Waiting the 8Ball : )

Bye

Nevermind on my column suggestion! I found a way currently to do it in Flash that's perfectly easy enough. No reason cluttering up ActionScript cause I couldn't figure something out. :)

I still would like to see more advanced text controls. The ability to wrap text around objects would be awesome.

Oh, here's one...the ability to make text underlined or bulleted using the authoring tool. Currently if I have static text I want underlined, I manually draw in the line or have to set dynamic HTML text.

why oh why didn´t you change the behaviour of the undo function back to its old way in flash 7.2? the undo feature of flash 7 sucks so badly i can´t tell.
it so crushes maintainability of graphic intensive projects.(as undoing several steps leads to constantly swapping from one timeline to the other which is nothing else than irritating).
i (and i´m sure 100000 of others) want my undo feature back in which i had a seperate undo history for each timeline and when i pressed undo it would only bring me back one step in the history for the timeline i´m currently in,not push me back into a timeline i worked on in a previous step.
your feature plans for 8ball sound great but if you don´t also change the undo feature back to its behaviour of flash 6 it will still be ugly.

Hi flasherx -

We are very aware of the popular request to provide the old undo as an option for the next release. We could not do this with the 7.2 updater for many reasons, most importantly, doing so would have introduced a myriad of new bugs and workflow changes. Also, there are certain business-related issues involved with introducing new features or major operational changes in a free updater to a shipping application.

Needless to say, we are definitely looking at addressing this issue in 8ball.

Thanks,
MD

thanks heaps Mike Downey,its great to hear my beloved undo feature comes back in 8ball :).
i agree with brooks,some features those standalone wrappers allow (like doing transparent standalone projectors,having own icons for projectors,saving filetypes on the hd (after user prompt for keeping security up) and other things like full right click maintainability (using it for totally custom actions without the standard menu) would be great and would start letting flash become more interesting for desktop application developers aswell.(we´re using screenweaver and flash studio pro a lot at work to achive some of this functionality and some more for offline versions of our flash applications).
screenweaver has the better callback system for executed functions whereas flash studio pro has a much bigger command set.
a combination of both right within flash (for usage on standalone projectors) would rock.
I can also imagine a command like System.getCpuSpeed beeing extremely useful for any flash application. (so that you can get the user´s cpu speed and load different features based on that).

Hi flasherx -

Just to clarify, I said, "we are definitely looking at addressing this issue in 8ball." Though I think it is highly likely that we will do this, I can't commit to any features until the product actually ships. Don't worry, we fully understand the importance of bringing the old workflow back. ;-)

I also like the idea of adding some kind of wrapper app like those mentioned above. There are a few things that might prevent us from doing so, fyi.

First, all of the 3rd party wrappers that I know of are Windows only - let me know if you know of a Mac solution. We try to avoid providing Windows-only features as much as possible (most of us are Mac users :-).

Second, there are a lot of great 3rd party apps that support the Flash Ecosystem. I would love to see many of them built in to Flash. However, we must always ask ourselves if it is worth it for us to either acquire or self-build solutions that are already available to Flash users. When we do decide to do something like this, it is generally because we see greater market opportunity - ie, a large potential base of customers. A good example is the many 3rd party text effects apps out in the community. With MX 2004 we decided that it would be better for us to just build an extensibility layer that would allow companies like Swish and Red Giant to build fully-integrated extensions.

I hope that lends a little perspective on how we look at opportunities like this.

Thanks,
MD

One thing we struggle with when passing files to and fro between Mac and PC is the issue of font compatbility. What would be the implications of a "Save FLA With Fonts" option whereby fonts that are used in an FLA on the current platform could be bundled inside the FLA, thereby allowing a SWF to be correctly generated on the other platform? Is this too difficult given font licensing issues? Perhaps not, given the practice of embedding font outlines in SWFs anyway.

Oh yeah - and a vector effects that could be applied to objects (like you can in Fireworks) such as simulated glows, blurs and drop shadows would be good too, without having to import bitmaps or resort to "soften edges".

There are font licensing issues, however, we have some ideas to help resolve the difficulties encountered in this workflow.

Thanks,
MD

Hi folks,

first of all: Superb idea to ask clients !

Second: Please boost the RIA. IMHO RIA means, sending XML (like XUL oder XAML) to the flash plugin and interpret the XML there locally (language similar to MXML, but interpreted on the client instead of server). This would mean, that we have fully dynamic flash movies instead of all those server sided generated SWF's. Especially for dynamic business applications with large amount of data and many textfield-, datafield-, button-forms it would be superb to interpret and display forms on the fly. Right now, we can not change our ERP intranet site to RIA, because all files have to reengineered using Flash or Flex (way too expensive for providers !).

And please dont make Flash touch the local client hard disc !!! Active-X and Java are disabled in many companies because of security issues (reading oder writing local file). This is one major advantage for the success of flash !

Cya, Bernd

forgot to say:

real 3D support would be wonderfull (i.e. z-Axis) !

Cya, Bernd

A "nice to have" might be expanded audio editing capabilities. Currently if I import a clip and click "Edit", I can slice off the front or the end, but not trim anything out of the middle. The ability to quickly delete a word or sentence in the middle of an audio clip would be handy.

"Just to clarify, I said, "we are definitely looking at addressing this issue in 8ball." Though I think it is highly likely that we will do this, I can't commit to any features until the product actually ships. Don't worry, we fully understand the importance of bringing the old workflow back. ;-)"

-->coolies,i get what you mean ;)

"I also like the idea of adding some kind of wrapper app like those mentioned above. There are a few things that might prevent us from doing so, fyi.

First, all of the 3rd party wrappers that I know of are Windows only - let me know if you know of a Mac solution. We try to avoid providing Windows-only features as much as possible (most of us are Mac users :-). "

-->yeah,cross platform functionality is of course very important,
check out flash studio,they just released a mac plugin for their wrapper:
http://www.multidmedia.com/news/news.php?id=36

"Second, there are a lot of great 3rd party apps that support the Flash Ecosystem. I would love to see many of them built in to Flash. However, we must always ask ourselves if it is worth it for us to either acquire or self-build solutions that are already available to Flash users. When we do decide to do something like this, it is generally because we see greater market opportunity - ie, a large potential base of customers. A good example is the many 3rd party text effects apps out in the community. With MX 2004 we decided that it would be better for us to just build an extensibility layer that would allow companies like Swish and Red Giant to build fully-integrated extensions.

I hope that lends a little perspective on how we look at opportunities like this.

Thanks,
MD"

yeah,i know what you mean and partly agree,for example i like the swift xpress extension,but i´d like it more (just to stay with the example) if you´d work together with erain to make xpress a fully integrated feature of flash,so that you´d not have to switch between the flash scene and the xpress panel but instead had direct control over shapes like xpress allows.
back on the topic,adding functionality as those standalone wrappers have would (coupled with other features listed on the blog and by you) make flash become much more interesting for offline application developers imho and therefore open quite a big market there.
i´m not totally against really well fitting in extensions (like xpress) its more apps which are needed to allow extra functionality from/for flash projects and which are only available as standalone applications right now and not as extensions like standalone wrappers.
its just having to swicth between applications and (for some wrappers) even having to learn an own syntax to use that bit of extra functionality which turns a flash web app into an offline app (for example =)).

I would love to see an improved compiler of actionscript2.0 in 8ball. One, where i can at least switch that strict typing is a must. One, where i can initialize objects and arrays inline. One, where i can declare a typed variable in an object. One, where object.__resolve() also catches lines like myObject["hsdjfh"] = "bla"; And one and this would be nice to have, which gives the error class the ability to at least trace the current call stack, which actually has nothing to do with the compiler, but anyway :o)

Hi and thanks for the new Macromedia attitude towards us, we really appreciate.

One thing I'd like to have in the next version would be the ability to read files in a folder. Say I have 10 jpegs in a folder, I want flash to find them and tell me their names. Would save us time writting xml.

Second request would be file upload. Say I want to allow my client to send pics or files to the application, I don't want to do it via a pop up in html.

And last but not least, v2 components are so heavy. A lot of time we only want to use a scrollbar or a combobox... It costs us 40ko! Way too much. Is there a possibility to include part of the components code in the next player?

Cheers

Great to see you are working so hard to gather requirements for the next version.

The features I would most like to see are:

1) I'd love to use the V2 components - they would help me make so many more interactive applications etc. but they are just far too big! I know everyone else mentions it but I've got to mention it again

2) I use the SEPY Actionscript Editor to edit my code - there are quite a few benefits but my favourite is the line folding - I'd rather use the built in one if it was a little bit better

3) Could you get a FLA to remember the pushpins for scripts?

4) Import PNG, GIF on the fly

5) More XHTML tag support

6) Flow - not sure if this is possible, but could there be a flow engine in Flash as well as the absolute positioning style? It would be great to plonk a load of components down on a "page" and not have to worry about moving them around if any of them grow - a lot of my code deals with just placing things on a page and accommodating size changes. This would make Flash a lot more like Flex in that you could easily start describing applications in XML...

Just thought of another thing - it is very important to me but not really a feature:

I've only recently moved to Flash Player 6 as my standard.

My movement up to Version7 is purely dependant on its ubiquity on the web - I barely use the V7 features as a result. V2 components need a later version of the Flash Player 6 as well.

I'd love Macromedia to provide and manage data on the availability of the plugin versions and builds. All the sales blurb at Macromedia says the Flash Player is available for 98% of users. Maybe but only if you count Flash Player 5 or 4 so it doesn't help me.

I know it is Macromedia's interest to show the most positive number of users but it is in my interest as a Macromedia user to know the truth to make the right decision about when to upgrade - I want to tell my clients its OK but I need the ammo!

kevin have a look at this:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html

oh yeah,forgot to say: that´s numbers of june,so things have probably changed a bit since then =)

I'm considering Flash for mobile development (e.g. cell phones, handhelds, etc.). Is there a similar stats page for the versions of Flash on these devices? A granular breakdown would be very interesting.

I hadn't noticed the June update - this is a lot better than what they had before (the survey example is interesting) - I would prefer more detail and it would be good if they could do it more regularly.

Yeah OK - I'll take it back after looking at this.

Maybe a better and more relevant point / question would have been - is there more you can do with older versions of the player - a bit like how a lot of the MX2004 improvements were the components that work on that later Flash Player 6 build.

I'd rather see new features in 8ball that worked in the Flash Player 7 than a new flash player.

Could it be possible to use assets right across the movie clip hierarchy?

If I load a component as a child SWF I can't add a child to that component movie clip which is a component stored in the original SWF.

This means I would have to have the V2 scroll pane in all sub-applications that are loaded into a master application rather than just loading it once and using it everywhere.

(Maybe there is a sneaky way round this that I don't know about?)

Have you guys seen BEA's native xml scripting in their weblogic workshop product.
its the cool thing ever, and implimanting something like that in flash would take it to new hights, omho.
check it out
http://dev2dev.bea.com/products/wlworkshop/articles/JSchneider_XML.jsp

using xml for tree strcture data presentation is nice.
using xml for communication among several languages/frontend/backend is nice
using xml for application building AS IN flex is nice.
but using xml for each and everything else is not making much sense imho.
xml is a bloated format and shouldn´t be used for everything just for the sake of it.
technology should be used were it makes sense

Awesome! love hearing that the drawing/design/animation-side to Flash will be given some thought - I would give my left arm to be in that "idea" room (i'll need my right arm to draw with).

I realized yesterday that Flash (apparently) doesn't have a _framerate property.

This is handy if you'd like to determine the running time in seconds of a movie. I'd like to see something like _framerate or Stage.frameRate implemented.

I'm considering Flash for mobile development (e.g. cell phones, handhelds, etc.). Is there a similar stats page for the versions of Flash on these devices? A granular breakdown would be very interesting.http://www.qqhard.com

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