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August 10, 2005
Studio 8 - Fireworks CSS Pop-up Menu
One of the most popular features in Fireworks has been the ability to create pop-up menus. However, with the release of Dreamweaver MX 2004 and its increased focus on CSS, you told us that you were frustrated by the fact that the pop-up menus created by Fireworks were still table-based. Add to that the fact that modifying these pop-up menus in Dreamweaver required some deep-diving into JavaScript and the feature lost some of its shine.
Well, we've heard you and with the release of Fireworks 8, we're happy to report that the menus created in Fireworks now also use CSS, which can be easily modified either by returning to Fireworks, or, should you desire within Dreamweaver. Additionally, the actual source code for the menus appears in the Dreamweaver page, making it easy for search engines to find and index.
One of the most popular features in Fireworks has been the ability to create pop-up menus. However, with the release of Dreamweaver MX 2004 and its increased focus on CSS, you told us that you were frustrated by the fact that the pop-up menus created by Fireworks were still table-based. Add to that the fact that modifying these pop-up menus in Dreamweaver required some deep-diving into JavaScript and the feature lost some of its shine.
Well, we've heard you and with the release of Fireworks 8, we're happy to report that the menus created in Fireworks now also use CSS, which can be easily modified either by returning to Fireworks, or, should you desire within Dreamweaver. Additionally, the actual source code for the menus appears in the Dreamweaver page, making it easy for search engines to find and index.
Current users of Fireworks MX 2004 will find the interface familiar, as most of the "magic" happens behind the scenes.
There is one thing to note, which could be important based upon your usual workflow. While Dreamweaver 8 now exposes the CSS created by Fireworks, you need to remember that if you make edits to the CSS in Dreamweaver, but then subsequently re-export the pop-up menu from Fireworks, the modifications made to the CSS in Dreamweaver will be overwritten.
That's where the roundtrip ability of Dreamweaver and Fireworks really begins to shine. Simply remember to make any additional edits to the images exported by Fireworks using the Launch and Edit button in Dreamweaver. This will allow you to make changes to the selected image without overwriting the modified CSS.
For a complete tour of the new Pop-up menu wizard, take a look:
Posted by grewis at August 10, 2005 10:01 PM
Comments
Oh..that is damn cool. Cant wait to get my hands on studio 8!
Posted by: Shunjie at August 11, 2005 06:50 AM
Glad you like it - we're rather proud of the Studio ourselves! :-)
Posted by: Greg at August 11, 2005 11:24 PM
A few years ago I sent an e-mail to Macromedia
and told them that the pop-up menu needs to have
more options. But it seems nobody listens to what users (really) need.
the new pp up menu doesn't really give you any new revolutionary options.
That's why alot of designers are already using
other third party apps to create pop-up menues,
instead of using what fireworks offers them.
Posted by: amir at August 13, 2005 10:30 PM
I really wanted to see something more advanced.
Take a look at what these guys are doing:
http://www.sothink.com/webtools/dhtmlmenu/
When Fireworks had problems with pop-up menu
positioning afew yrs ago, sothink was creating
excellent pp mns.
Posted by: amir at August 13, 2005 10:35 PM
Very nice. It's nice to see tool developers starting to catch up with the standards. It's another great tool to have available.
Now I just hope Adobe doesn't kill off Fireworks, or 8 could be the last edition
Posted by: Garth H at August 18, 2005 10:07 AM
Adobe has already said so many times that it sees no reason to keep Fireworks since it has ImageReady/Photoshop. Therefore you can consider Fireworks dead from now!
Posted by: Amir at August 18, 2005 08:00 PM
I dont know where you heard that nasty rumour about Adobe killing Fireworks 8, can you prove that you are not making this up by posting a link to it?
Fireworks is superior to Imageready and Photoshop when it comes to quickly and easily creating and optimizing Graphics and is not the absolute hog of system resources that Photoshop is. I dont want to use a piece of software that is so resource intensive that I cant run Dreamweaver or other program simultaneously while using it.
Posted by: Dave at August 19, 2005 12:04 PM
It's not a rumour. It's a fact.
Google sends me all the news which is relatd
to Adobe/Macromedia everyday.
In a news conference Adobe clearly said
that it would be only interested in three products: Flash, Dreamweaver and Coldfusion.
When they were asked what Adobe is going to do
with Fireworks, the answer was we'll let it die!
If you had a company with two similar products,
it wouldn't really make sense to keep both.
Anyways...I'll try to find the link of that news
conference ..and if I don't, you can do a
search in Google and I'm sure you'll find it there.
Plus, computers are fast enough these days.
Therefore running two programs such as Photoshop
and Dreamweaver at the same time shouldn't be
an issue anymore. Unless you're using an old PIII.
Posted by: amir at August 19, 2005 12:51 PM
Hi Greg,
I've tried everything and looked at all possible options, but cannot resolve these problems. I'll be oblighed if you can look at it and suggest a solution.
http://www.lakeshore.com/commug/question.html
The first screen shot is of a pop-up menu imported in DW8, if you see the pop-up menu is listed horizontally, though if you view it in the browser you can see it correctly. the problem is this is just one pop-up sample, when I actually work on the production piece I have a pop-up with 5 links for each, so it looks like a paragraph. It should technically look like the second screen shot.
The truth is, it initally did, I think I hit some option by mistake and since then it shows up like the first screen shot.
My second issue is that even though I have exported the pop-up menu with the CSS option when I select the link example 'ISO certification;' still there is no CSS related to it. The ALL tabs gives a generic list of the mnu with no option to change the background colors which CSS should allow me to do.
The main problem: I tried opening a template generated in DWMX2004 with pop-up menus generated from FWMX2004. I opened the template and re-inserted the new file (top banner) after deleting the old one. It inserted the new banner but retained the old banner at the bottom and the navigation (popup) menus looked like on big paragraph like in the first screen shot in the link.
I am going crazy with this problem, I have a deadline and can't figure this out. I have half a mind to revert back to MX 2004 and start production in that version. So far this new version has been a nightmare as far as backward compatibility.
Thanks in advance.
Vinod
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I find all the old posts - "Adobe is going to kill of all the Macromedia products" - very amusing... Especially after hearing your new boss talk about the future direction of pretty much everything!
Live was the best show/seminar I've *ever* attended - so thank you! :)
Paul
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Hi Greg,
I was wondering if you may give me an advice.
I ‘m trying to install a pop up menu in Dreamweaver 8 using Fireworks 8 with a combination of Japanese and English text.
Everything seems to work fine in Dreamweaver but when I want to edit the menu back in Fireworks it looses the Japanese fonts and in reverse I get something like (??;’xk25%;;).
I am using XHTML with charset=shift_jis and CSS.
Thank you very much for your time.
Marcin
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