JD on EP

"Vista is completely the wrong approach, from our perspective," said Kendall Collins, senior vice president of marketing with Salesforce.com. "We are not doing anything about Vista. We are ideologically opposed to it. And we haven't heard much from our customers about IE 7. We are not finding many people using it. We will support whatever our customers demand."

Hahaha At last someone who focuses on thier customers....

You know it just got released last night, like I was sitting around today, listening to bands play, watching our execs talk about it being a significant milestone and well dones etc were thrown around.

So, I'm guessing that means it's being launched today.. did I mention the word "today" enough yet?

:) (Sorry shouldn't be sarcastic).

We are doing what any other company does of this type, we encourage seeding amongst larger brands to mainly get their perspective on what the technology and to approach it with a trial/error approach (see how it reacts in the wild) as you can plan only so much before it gets flipped and used in a way that was never imagined (see HTML + JavaScript for example, the creators of HTML didn't really forsee the way its being used now).

I do recall Macromedia once asking me many moons ago to create a Flex application to co-incide with a launch so... *cough* glass houses and all ;)

Ooops, forgot to add my Signature and I know how touchy you are JD ;) (hey could you like add a field or something to the form that allows corps to post) heheh.

Scott Barnes
Developer Evangelist
Microsoft.

There seems to be two points here: "where are the killer apps?" and "lookee, they used Flash". On top of these, I'd just wonder if the idea is really to make people upgrade. I hadn't even considered upgrading the software on my current hardware... why would I? But, will I ask to be downgraded to XP when I buy my next Windows machine? Unlikely. Though, it's temping if XP has Flash pre-installed.

But I guess I'd agree they need a killer app. Maybe there is one and I just haven't seen it. Btw, if OSX's killer feature is the time machine be sure to show me how to turn that off (I'd prefer not having people able to snoop through my history).

As far as the "lookee, they used Flash"... that's a non-issue. I'd just hope that both Ms and Ad are secure enough in their own products to also use other products where appropriate.

You say "why lock WinXP users out when they're the vast majority?"... who's locking them out? Adobe software tweaked for Vista? I'm not clear what this means.

Has Scoble said anything about whether Vista lives up to his initial Longhorn hype...or did the features that so wowed him way back when end up on the cutting room floor?

Phillip, re: "why lock WinXP users out when they're the vast majority?"... that meant that any new Adobe application today which was a "killer app" for Vista would have to include features not possible for users on WinXP (much less MacOS).

Such "only in newer OS" features usually come with time, but there are definitely different dynamics between OS-specific apps and OS-neutral apps.

Yudel, I can't speak for Robert, but he did speak for himself on his early impressions with Longhorn demos:

Remember all those 'Longhorn rules' posts I made about four years ago? Do you know where they came from?

I do. And I'll never forget the software development lesson that was harshly handed to me.

Microsofties (before I was an employee) showed me some prototypes of Vista. I didn't know they were prototypes, though. Later, after becoming a Microsoft employee, I found out that all we really saw were Macromedia Director-based movies....

I'm also rather surprised that not many developers have warmed up to WPF yet.

The "Browser" is an extremely silly concept-- a window for looking sequentially at a large parallel structure. It does not show this structure in a useful way. - Ted Nelson (Hypertext Pioneer)

C'mon guys there are heaps of research prototypes around showing excellent clustering, hyperlinking, chaining, and wiki editing tools around. Build me my personal web net/editor/research tool. Please!! :)

Go Vista!

[jd sez: On one hand you seem to be saying that you need a personal research tool. On the other hand you seem to want it available for only a new operating system whis has, as the rest of us are discussing, precious few unique applications of its own. Seems like a mixed message....]

haha fair enuf. Apologies for rant rant.

Yes I definitely need a personal research tool but the main beef is that WPF should enable more dynamic interfaces and well hopefully some 3d goodness thrown in for good measure also.

[Purely speculating as I never actively tracked WinFS/WPF in its development. - shoot me]

I'm hoping there is a possibility to do some nice little hacks like have multiple smaller windows rather than one MDI and use some of that XUL magic to link them together with lines and stuff.

The possibilities for that would be awesome especially for surfing the web and personal knowledge building etc which as you guessed is my thing.

Cheers for reply!

TiM

Err that should be XAML not XUL. Anyway I will check up on the multi interface idea just to lay the foundation here for someone else to run with it.

ok sweet. WPF "layered windows". Supports transparent background, hardware rendered. Nice...

Hehe *cough* i'm a dumbass. Still, linking interface elements ala visual hypertext isn't trivial.

Assuming you can host an IE control inside and have a reasonable number of them at once and no adverse drawing defects when you move them around fluidly should be pretty sweet.

Sweet, to the drawing board!

sorry. Spamming ur blog...

http://www.vista64.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31470

Pitty you can't apply the XAML magic but hey if its that easy thats pretty sweet.