JD on EP

Well, I had an Adobe Evangelist pull the video cable out from the projector mid-presentation ;)

So... back at you ;)

[jd sez: I don't know about that... was it at the BBC, when Engadget was visiting...? ]

Scott, you wrote this on my blog before becoming a Microsoft Evangelist:

"My point to the post was to poke fun at the sheer mass stupidity of argueing over which brand is better then the other. It's something that used to go against my grain quite a lot, when trying to have a rational conversation about which technolgy suites the problem at hand vs which technology one is a disciple of."

http://notboss.livejournal.com/5561.html

Now that you are a "disciple" of MS, maybe you should reread your old comment and reconsider your habit of posting things like "So... back at you" on other people's blogs.

In fact, now that you represent Microsoft, maybe you could just be quiet for a while and actually do some research on Microsoft's products and tell us something useful on your own blog. Of course you don't have to listen to me. I'm not the first one to make this suggestion:

http://flexblog.faratasystems.com/?p=150

You should think about what Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: "I would spend at least a year doing real application DEVELOPMENT experience with alphas and betas of the products before taking on Evangelist position."

So please. Unless Microsoft is explicitly paying you to increase the useless noise levels on blogs that discuss Adobe products, how about rethinking what you are doing?

Please, give us less of this:

http://www.spidaweb.com/me.jpg

and think about giving us something more like this post instead:

http://blog.jonudell.net/2007/03/21/i-have-met-the-enemy-and-it-is-tribalism

I was actually taking the piss guys :) (I probably should of put a "heheh" in the end to illustrate i was mucking around, oh well).

It (Plug-pulling) was kind of funny actually, I caught up with the guy - forget his name - and joked with him about it at the bar that night.

So umm, take a chill pill and cool off ;)

--
Scott Barnes
Developer Evangelist
Microsoft - Disciple #123120-122

Hey notboss, maybe you should think about switching to decaf? And filter the blogs you quote when trying to win an argument.

Whoa, host is calling a "Time Out" here -- telling other people how they "should" behave rarely returns the desired results, agreed...?

("notboss", I appreciate the sentiment, but he's going through a learning stage.)

Meanwhile, the original issue is gaining more attention, both in weblogs and press.

jd

Disruption works though as marketing ploy. The jury is out though on whom benefits ;) I mean the soundbyte would be Microsoft interupts Sony.

"Why would they do that?" and so people now have two thoughts rolling around their hads. "Why was Microsoft doing that and secondly, what was Sonys reaction"

Yet, what was the product launch about again? heheh

(I'm not saying I agree with it, I actually don't)

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I'm not really learning, there is method to my madness, the trick is figuring that out.

Scott/Microsoft.

I'm not really learning

well, that's just tragic.

Yet, what was the product launch about again?

The product launch was about Sony's PS3. I don't think that got lost in any of the report. However, what trumped it for the reporters was the "disruption".

Yes disruption "works', if your goal is simply to garner attention. However, I'm not sure if Micrsoft needs any more negative media attention. If I may ask, what were your goals?

Why worry about your competitors product launches when you have bigger and (hopefully, for you and your customers) better products to focus on?

My reaction was less "this is good/bad" and more "This is how Microsoft chooses to spend it's marketing budget?"

Seems like there are far more productive ways to garner positive mindshare.

Now, to go order some tear gas and confetti for the WPF/E product launch.

-steve/adobe

The thing about working for Microsoft is that we have a lot of free open reign to do what we think is right for the brand and marketing around our products and service.

If the folks in question thought it was warranted, so be it. I don't agree on the surface that it was the right approach but I'd rather get their take on the matter before I start ranting about why Microsoft is yet again, doing things bad.

I can count a lot of ways in which Adobe have done their fare share of sabotage or aggressive posture in terms of marketing and events (recent conference aside).

Look its marketing, the basinc instinct of marketing is to interupt, sometimes with permission other times without. You can fail a lot in marketing and its a challenge overall.

If you do fail, try and contain the issue.

As for learning, I'm learning lots but how to post on blog comments isn't one of them as there a few things I still disagree with but in order to comprimise, i'll follow suite.

Overall, Microsoft may make mistakes, but corps like Adobe for example also make mistakes. We can keep score or we can *shrug* and move on?

Maybe the "official" campaigns could be separated from incidents that sound like they're just one immature employee's actions.

I recall a couple of things that may or may not have been sat well with people:
--mTropolis in 1996 (a failed software to take over Director) drove an ad truck around in circles at the Ucon (Macromedia's old user conference).

--Adobe and Macromedia in 2000 both handed out free software (Dreamweaver bundle vs. GoLive) AND would offer a second copy if you would trade in the competitor's free copy for disposal.

@Phillip Ahh - the fond memories. I came back from the first FlashForward with 2 huge Macromedia Studio packages :D

PS: here's a pic from the crazyness:
http://www.flashmagazine.com/images/ff2khandout.jpg

Look at all those empty boxes!

J